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a.n.other
Joined: 24 Apr 2008
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Location: Rossendale
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 Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Unlucky Alf wrote: | | Let's be clear about this; the proposed development at Marl Pits, which would include a new 8 lane synthetic track, would be for the people of Rossendale and the northwest. |
That's exactly what the idea of the old track was. It was used by the people of Rossendale and beyond - Until it became unsafe, etc, etc.
I would love Rossendale to have first class athletic facilities.
It just totally bugs me to the point of total disbelief has 'stupid' amounts of money can be found for other not so worthwhile "community" projects.
For example, do you know what the total budget for the Halo contraption overlooking Haskingden was? 
It was over £500,000 - Yes half a million quid! - Sandalous! 
That would have probably been enough to fix the showers in your clubhouse for starters. 
I look forward to hearing more about and then seeing long overdue progress of the project. 
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dnf
Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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The people of Rossendale and beyond are using our present facility in increasing numbers at the moment .I attended the 'monday night' training group last night ,there were 25+ enthusiastic adults, some from outside the area 'having a go' . I can see a time when with upgraded infrastructure and our evermore qualified coaching staff the club could be used most nights of the week.
Regarding the present clubhouse a dangerous structural flaw seems to have developed on the trackside facing part ,I think it needs immediate attention. |
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Hugh Jarse
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Unlucky Alf wrote: | Does Rossendale Harriers deserve a new track? Let's be clear about this; the proposed development at Marl Pits, which would include a new 8 lane synthetic track, would be for the people of Rossendale and the northwest. The Harriers would use it and as stakeholders would help to manage the site. This represents a fantastic opportunity to build a facility, with multiple sports on site, all in a setting that would be the envy of every borough in the area. Can we afford to be that selfish that we would deny future generations this opportunity?
As for Hugh, he's read he constitution but does he understand it? Who does he think the club is? The members of course. So if he thinks he and the road running fraternity aren't catered for maybe he should get off his ample backside and do something about it. Organise a training weekend or even a road race. Or it is easier to just moan about things and hope that others might do it for him? |
Thanks for your response.
New track ? Bring it on. Sooner the better.
A few comments regarding the constitution. Fully understand who the club is. The thing is, being predominantly a road runner, I also recognised that there was a road section within that membership, and that they’d paid their subs as well. However, the benefit of this exchange is now others are becoming aware that there is a road section and that these members of the club, who like me are predominantly road runners, are under the constitution of the club as it stands at present, entitled to the same treatment, coverage and benefits as their colleagues who prefer running off the road. I don’t think they receive that at present and interestingly, nobody disagreed with my earlier post. ( Is 26.2 worth a mention ?) which made the same point.
Couple of points regarding active participation in the club. Whilst I suspect the question in your last sentence is rhetorical, I’ll answer it anyway. Yes, it is easy to sit back and let others do everything, but I hardly think seeking redress under the club’s own constitution constitutes moaning. Also there’s nothing in the constitution as it stands at present which requires anything other than paying £20 for a member to be treated in accordance with that constitution. All it says is that if you pay your money, this what you can expect. I didn’t write it, I’m just pointing out what it says and if you think the road runners do get the same treatment, then tell me I’m wrong. Interestingly, there are many off road members who like me exercise their prerogative to remain on their ‘Hugh’s’
( ample and less so) and yet get better treatment, again in my opinion.
The whole purpose of a forum is to act as a platform for opinion. I’m simply expressing mine. If this exchange and the notoriety it attracts acts as a catalyst for change, then I’ll have achieved my aim which was nothing other than all members being treated equally.
Finally, you’ll note I haven’t published any of my gripes. Although you may doubt this, I have done so in order to spare anyone becoming embarrassed, because as I said earlier, I have no doubt whatsoever that there is no intended bias one way or the other, it’s simply that people gravitate to what they prefer. Happy to provide the detail. If you want it just ask for it off-line. Away this week with work, so I won’t be at the club. |
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Unlucky Alf
Joined: 12 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hugh Jarse wrote,
"Also there’s nothing in the constitution as it stands at present which requires anything other than paying £20 for a member to be treated in accordance with that constitution. All it says is that if you pay your money, this what you can expect. I didn’t write it, I’m just pointing out what it says and if you think the road runners do get the same treatment, then tell me I’m wrong.
Easy, you're wrong. Not everyone gets a mention, just the notable performances. I can remember hearing and reading about successes and achievements on the road, fell, country and track. Surely we don't expect everyone's race results to be recorded and celebrated? We'd be there all night!
What do you expect for your £20.00? A gold star every time you lace up your running shoes? Come on. |
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Rod the Plod
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Let me make it clear that I FULLY SUPPORT the construction of a new track. My question; 'Do we deserve a new track?' was partially intended to start a debate and obviously it has.
I like nothing better than to see the crowds flocking to Marl Pits. I remember not that long ago when there was barely one changing room filled on club nights. These days I struggle to get MY place in MY room it gets that crowded  . Perhaps when the new track is opened we can get Ron Hill to open it and run on it as I remember reading in his autobiography how he was enticed to the current one with the juicy titbit that it was an all weather track. At the time he ran in barefeet and was aghast to discover the real make up of it.
Hopefully the club will continue to thrive, it can only be good for the community as a whole.
I agree with Alf that only notable performances should be recorded, however I would refer the honourable gentleman to the 26.2 thread regarding the lack of recognition given to John Lavelle following his club championship success. This doesn't look to me like equality. |
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Lefty
Joined: 05 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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John Lavelle I think would be the first to say that he got the recognition he rightly deserved, we purposely had a presentation of the road championship awards at the rugby club in February. Jon Ferguson stood up and did his bit to offer congrats to everyone who competed in the 2007 road champs as did myself, it was well advertised but sadly poorley attended by our increasingly active road section.
It saddens me to think that people feel excluded due the the particular discipline they chose to take part in. I can assure everyone that it is certainly not an active club policy to favour one section over another but obviously there is a perceived problem which we should address. Any ideas let us know. Shame that Rod is no longer on the committe, he has been a good voice for the membership in the past and hopefully in the future.Perhaps he could be persuaded to serve again in the future. |
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Hugh Jarse
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Lefty wrote: | John Lavelle I think would be the first to say that he got the recognition he rightly deserved, we purposely had a presentation of the road championship awards at the rugby club in February. Jon Ferguson stood up and did his bit to offer congrats to everyone who competed in the 2007 road champs as did myself, it was well advertised but sadly poorley attended by our increasingly active road section.
It saddens me to think that people feel excluded due the the particular discipline they chose to take part in. I can assure everyone that it is certainly not an active club policy to favour one section over another but obviously there is a perceived problem which we should address. Any ideas let us know. Shame that Rod is no longer on the committe, he has been a good voice for the membership in the past and hopefully in the future.Perhaps he could be persuaded to serve again in the future. |
When I see you Graham, i'll right your misconceptions about the presentation. Again, out of respect to you and to not cause embarrassment, I'll take it off line.
I fully believe you when you assert that the there is no intended bias. I've said before, I don't think it's deliberate. |
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Unlucky Alf
Joined: 12 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: I fully believe you when you assert that the there is no int |
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Hugh Jarse wrote, "I fully believe you when you assert that the there is no intended bias. I've said before, I don't think it's deliberate."
What's to be done then? Speak up for the roadies! |
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dnf
Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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In this debate ,it does concern me the way it seems to be perceived as either your a 'roadie' or offroader. Theres a danger were going to end up with two camps with no common ground. Club members like myself don't wish to be pigeon-holed into either camp. Although its true I prefer fellraces i've turned out for the last 3hree 12 stages and ran more 10ks than most. On the other hand Jon Fergy ran some local fell races last year and did very well. The 'road' runner who inadvertently is one of the topics of this debate John Lavelle is away this weekend doing Goat Fell fellrace in Scotland along with 4? other Harriers.
As they say 'at the end of the day' people can do what events suits them.Out of interest I was talking to prolific race organizer Andy O'Sullivan not long ago, his opinion was he's looking at more off-road events because its less hassle from 'authorities'.
As for Hugh talking to Lefty about the presentation , please leave the guy alone. Everyones problems ends up on Lefty's table and I really think the guy deserves a medal not criticism . |
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a.n.other
Joined: 24 Apr 2008
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Location: Rossendale
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| dnf wrote: | | As for Hugh talking to Lefty about the presentation , please leave the guy alone. Everyones problems ends up on Lefty's table and I really think the guy deserves a medal not criticism . |
Well said. {Thumbs Up}
I know of Graham and I read in this weeks Free Press that he's been a member for 40 years. With all the work he does, in my opinion, every single person in the club should look up to him.
I enjoy running and run 3 or 4 times a week. I'm over 40 and not really that good at running and I'm not a member of Rossendale Harriers, but was thinking of joining, so looked on the club website for info and found a link to this forum and joined here, etc, etc.
I'm sure that I'd turn out for Track, Road, Country or Fell to help the club.
Maybe I'm missing summot.
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